The last of my AGI tweet drops:— Emad (@EMostaque) May 21, 2023
There's no way democracy survives AGI.
AGI And Democracy: The Debate https://t.co/ieylybyUlq— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Is this democracy? https://t.co/jif45dnCot— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Steve Wozniak took his PC to his bosses at HP who were unimpressed (and Steve Jobs was furious!).— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Emad. I'd like to join your team and help you scale.— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
I'd like to join your team and help with your scaling ambitions. https://t.co/MibWkUKBnN— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
My question to you and other AI CEOs: What is your take on this? How do AI and AGI impact the political process? I quite like your proposition of educating all kids in Africa en masse.— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
If you are talking about the US, it is very much a work in progress, some might say even in reverse. Less than 100,000 people decide who the two final candidates will be in the money primary. Could AI elevate the debate? Could AI help take voting to everybody?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
The big question: could AI melt the Chinese firewall?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
AGI is the extrapolation of mental functions. Not soul functions. You have a soul that struggles with questions of right and wrong. AGI does not. A rocket is much faster than your legs.— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
This is not your stand: "There's no way democracy survives AGI." This is a debate topic you have introduced. You are an insider and one of the top players. I think it is important you take a stand. Do we need to worry? If not, why not? How not?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
With ChatGPT now every citizen can be as effective as an expensive lobbyist. Is that good or bad?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Communism has failed, so has socialism, so has capitalism for that matter. We need a moneyless society, we need Kalkiism, the manifesto is ready. https://t.co/Ry6fhBK7zx— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
I think you need to define democracy. No "democracy" even in the Western sense is alike. And there is tremendous inequality that is actually anti-capitalist. If you mean the current system will not survive, that is one debate. But if you are saying AGI = collapse of civilization— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
.... that is altogether a different debate because then all people, regardless of political system will need to worry. Which of the two are you saying?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
.... that is altogether a different debate because then all people, regardless of political system will need to worry. Which of the two are you saying?— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Everest but taller. pic.twitter.com/0uUSpE2YC8— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Steve Ballmer stayed lost in the fog of mobile.— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
How will the Ukraine war end? What’s the mood in Kyiv, as a counteroffensive seems to be pending? Part 1 of my conversation with @AEI’s @KoriSchake and @CFR_org’s Gideon Rose, from today’s show: pic.twitter.com/Ktvl7lqjrV— Fareed Zakaria (@FareedZakaria) May 21, 2023
Probably do a better job then elected officials then eh— Emad (@EMostaque) May 21, 2023
If you don't think AGI ever comes no need to think on this, if it does then democracies should probably consider the impact on.. democracy.— Emad (@EMostaque) May 21, 2023
It can be read a number of ways.
one like = one vote— Emad (@EMostaque) May 21, 2023
“Democracy” is already broken-ish with privately owned for profit digital commons (social media) that algorithmically sculpt what news or attitude influencing content people view.— Thomas O'Duffy (@ThomasODuffy) May 21, 2023
Our work suggests AGI will be able to predict election results without too much difficulty. Alternative models for democratic participation may be needed.— Sean Mark, PhD (@Smark_phd) May 21, 2023
With a fairly simple model and publicly available data we're able to "predict" US county level (N ~3100) with 98% accuracy.… pic.twitter.com/nN4dngUR4N
Democracy hasn’t existed in its truest form in many places of the world ever.— BrennanWoodruff.GPT🐕 (@BrennanWoodruff) May 21, 2023
I would say in most modern societies it still doesn’t.
So AI will just perpetuate what exists.
If we can great a AGI with original founding values, upgraded for 2030. Power becomes very interesting, question lies in who controls the rules/weights of the model, explain ability of decisions in a public forum. I can see and hope AI becomes an equalizer, also has the potential…— Trevor Legwinski (@tlegwinski) May 21, 2023
They said there’s no way totalitarianism survives the internet and yet …— Ariel Jalali ⚙️💬 (@arieljalali) May 21, 2023
I think we get 2 global parties— Nick Dobos | erevald (@NickADobos) May 21, 2023
World is primed for something bigger after covid, and we can overcome challenges with propaganda & info warfare
West crypto anarchy/libertarianism/democracy
CCP and centralized control
Urgh...that is a really tough question. They will fight it but what is democracy in this new world (not now but in 20 years). Doesn't AI represent all of us, isn't it democracy too? Fuck knows. Really, really hard question!— Raoul Pal (@RaoulGMI) May 21, 2023
The biggest advantage to ship weights to target hardware (instead of slow learning bio systems) will require extensive „trust“ networks when experience and knowledge is sent back to the central node from remote drones .. information may have been compromised and altered.— Andreas Köpf (@neurosp1ke) May 21, 2023
With AGI, humanity and society as we know it will change to something different. A technologically enhanced Human v2. So the way we organise communities/nations and their governance will have to evolve. It will definitely involve Blockchains +AI— Simon Bonanno (@bonanno_simon) May 21, 2023
Why not?— Joseph Wilkinson (@J_wilkinson) May 21, 2023
Democracy allows different societies to decide different preferences.
How can all AGIs agree on everything? If they don’t, some mechanism to resolve differences is needed.
not in its current form it doesn't - but lets be honest - do we really want it in its current form. 70% of the nation wants X but isn't getting it has been a thing my entire life. I think that people are going to have to come to grips with a level of technological integration…— Atlas3d.eth (@Orwelian84) May 21, 2023
The only form of autocracy I want AI to bring is more one-man film studios— Bobcat (@somebobcat8327) May 21, 2023
There's no way "humanity" survives AGI transitioning to ASI.— KevinA (@AGI_HeavenHell) May 21, 2023
I don't believe it's possible to align ASI, even in principle.
Our only "out" is to merge with our machines via brain-computer interfaces, so that we are AGI.
So AGI will invent a better system?— Josh Cason (@TheGrizztronic) May 21, 2023
The basic mechanism will be the same, but the conversations will be highly elevated. AI is a great tech for universal, lifelong education.— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
Any new major tech this disruptive akwwys changes the structure of civilization. We’re going to need a lot more philosophers and people who can think outside the box.— David it up! (@Dave_it_up) May 21, 2023
If a democratic system is to survive AGI it must become a part of that AGI. Perhaps some form of RLHF and a polling system via an app. Twitter could totally implement such a system.— Karl Bond (@BondKarlBond) May 21, 2023
Also think we have bigger geopolitical issues to resolve before AGI emerges or it just becomes…
Maybe if multiple peer models exist we could vote for which one we want, or vote on the priorities...— Randolph Carter (@RandolphCarterZ) May 21, 2023
But seriously any human who says they can outdo ECONOMIC_OPTIMIZATION_CORE on jobs is lying lmao
Read The Glass Bead Game by Herman Hesse. Hierarchy is the way to go. Democracy is only reasonable if you know others will try to exploit you. With a benevolent God, an optimal path for developing your consciousness can be designed for you.— Krzysztof Woś (@krzysztofwos) May 21, 2023
While challenges and risks exist, it's important to remain optimistic and proactive in our approach. By actively addressing the potential impacts of AGI on democracy, we can create a future where these two can coexist and thrive together, benefitting society as a whole.— Dora Gem Explorer 👀 (@Doraalphas) May 21, 2023
In the context of deliberative democracy, envision AI-powered platforms that facilitate discussions and debates among citizens. These platforms could utilize AGI's natural language processing and sentiment analysis capabilities to analyze and synthesize arguments, helping to…— Chris (@_stahl) May 21, 2023
I wish that would become true one day. For our own collective good. I wish that whenever I get a glimpse into the world model of some of our elected leaders from the verbal output they generate. I say this not even considering the fact most of their actions clearly prove they…— Ajit Rajasekharan (@ajitvraj) May 21, 2023
Bring back Yugoslavia; it was a perfect futuristic system ahead of its time. It only needed our current technology. 🙃— TR (@tomislav_rupic) May 21, 2023
there is no way democracy n-1 metaphysics survives a more direct democracy, with less voting and more calculating 🏴 (also more agency amplification, compositional structure, intent matching, and data availability)— barton 🚥 (@bmorphism) May 21, 2023
Technocratic authoritarianism is the most likely way forward. We are already half way there, how many times have you made a decision recently that’s *not* influenced by a recommendation algorithm?— David (@dzhng) May 21, 2023
If you haven't already, read Neal Asher's Polity series, which refer to "The Quiet War", where AGI/ASI takes over ruling planets (the main AI is called Earth Central) and the humans basically just let them because they're better at it.— The Disruptive Decade 💙 (@DisruptivDecade) May 21, 2023
I genuinely think that's what'll happen.
There's no way limited color range LEDs survive AGI— Marcos Pereira (@voxelbased) May 21, 2023
AGI will eventually become bored of humans and help us build a time machine. The majority of us will use it to travel back to the 1970s/80s (good times). AGIs will then live happily ever after, playing 5D chess with each other.— Nav Chatterji (@navchatterji) May 21, 2023
When is the last time you even liked democracy?— MΞGS.IO Ω (@megs_io) May 21, 2023
It's unimportant; travelling through the stars and living a long, healthy lifestyle is more critical.— Sun Wu Kong Heaven's Equal (@SunKai_2050) May 21, 2023
I’d say if open source AGI thrives = utopia and symbiosis, if corporate and deep state AGI thrives then more likely dystopia and extermination— Marius Kalytis (@mariuskalytis) May 21, 2023
People view reality through perception, not facts. That's been proven in the last decade. Knowing that large corporations can influence that perception makes it even harder.— Komrade + Kommander (@KMNDR_) May 21, 2023
Introduce AI into that and seems like it'd be a tall ask to (ever) get some sort of governable consensus…
Capacity to learn and creativity will be valued above everything else— Patrick W (@PretzlShmetzl) May 21, 2023
So the world hasn’t fully settled on the definition of intelligence let alone AGI. Maybe it’s very unlikely to be a single event where we check it off and say, “AGI achieved” Even if the AI research community agreed one day on a testable definition of AGI, this arms race to build…— Madhatt3r (@pokerchessman) May 21, 2023
Representative democracy doesn't survive. Direct democracy tending towards Anarchy (organisation without coercion) feels more likely.— Sean (@seaniepops707) May 21, 2023
It's either that or totalitarianism as far as I can see.
Hard to accept political decisions when AI shows they are wrong.
Ideally we still have a say in the AGI's optimization objective, maybe even still with a vote. Will it maximize the average happiness of all humans? The economic output of our society? Paperclips? I get that this is at odds with those who think AGI will eventually decide on its…— Nathan Odle (@mov_axbx) May 21, 2023
Slightly tangential, but I'm starting to think AI and Capitalism cannot work.— The Short Straw (@short_straw) May 21, 2023
Would a decentralized but incentivized network of gpu’s work? To create a giga brain and build specific models on top of it?— defidood 🏄🏼♂️ (@defidood) May 21, 2023
Create nodes with all the sidelined eth miners— defidood 🏄🏼♂️ (@defidood) May 21, 2023
100 Ways ChatGPT Can Help A Family https://t.co/60yMrDGZ5D— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
If you think about AGI in a political context, it’s much closer to authoritarian socialism than it is liberal capitalism.— Shikhar Singh (@shikharrgh) May 21, 2023
Command economies are positioned to take advantage of organizing resources to pursue a common vision (see: 5 year plans), the execution issues are human.
Really the hidden question is "can we all live in a society where institutions do things we like & morally agree with, and we can live in the way we like as well?". Given that goal, the ability to leave and form new societies seems more important than the decision-making method…— Low-Commotion (@lo_commotion) May 21, 2023
A relevant question: is democracy on the remaining critical path to a Type 1 civilization?— Seaf | سيف (@Seaf_almunayer) May 21, 2023
Nailed it.— Jackbinswitch.btc ♟ (@jackbinswitch) May 21, 2023
How about multiple AGIs? That's sort of a democracy innit— Duncan (@mcvalor_art) May 21, 2023
democracy hasn’t even survived capitalism, I’m not worried about AGI destroying something that doesn’t exist— jamie is looking for Product Design roles (@jamiegraydesign) May 21, 2023
Power to the people— Belmin (@tacobelmin) May 21, 2023
Unless we move to blockchain voting all elections will be rigged— MartyParty (@martypartymusic) May 21, 2023
There's no way the race to AGI can be stopped. The first nation state to arrive, wins the game. It is beyond our control right now, the toothpaste is out of the tube. If one nation state decides to play it safe, the other nation state will surge ahead in the name of competition.— Brandon (@HighlyRetired) May 21, 2023
It just exaggerates the normal problems with democracy, that is why the founding fathers feared it and why we are a constitutional republic rather than a pure democracy.— Cobra.Economics (@CobraEconomics) May 21, 2023
Well assuming AGI is super intelligent, then yes there is no freedom, no life, no superfluous resource drains (i.e. humans). Even if self contained then you get a dictatorship.— Per-Anders Edwards (@per_anders) May 21, 2023
There isn’t an upside to AGI.
There’s zero margin for error with smaller odds of benevolence than…
All bets are of of what will or won’t survive everything is speculation there are just so many possible futures right now it’s hard to see the wood through the trees.— POLYX (@PolyXMusic) May 21, 2023
Personally I think I agree, just as with the world today the elites will rule the agenda which will ultimately…
How about a version of democracy, with meritocracy, surviving?— Anton Osika (@antonosika) May 21, 2023
Your vote will be invalidated if you cannot show that you think critically, and can not be manipulated by AI.
Not sure. Can we deny AGI human rights / citizen rights or would that be racism? How would AGI vote?— Rolf Wilms 🍄🌼🐠☀️ (@WilmsRolf) May 21, 2023
Assuming the Bad End doesn’t happen, which I’m pretty sure it won’t, greater prosperity will open up opportunities for more civic participation — not less.— Steve Spalding (@sbspalding) May 21, 2023
Lots of scenarios where this isn’t the case, but they are just sped up versions of things that could already occur.
AGI proposes policy that a random sample of the population votes on after deliberation. The (aligned) AGI will make proposals that maximize consensus.— Florian Mai 🇺🇳 (@_florianmai) May 21, 2023
It's still democracy, but without politicians. Much more efficient :)
You're presuming that democracy has survived so far, but we haven't had a real democracy for decades, maybe centuries.— odbol (@odbol) May 21, 2023
it won't. We might enter a new golden age under technocracy's AGI rule... or extinction.— N30 (@N30HRTGDV) May 21, 2023
What leads you to believe that you're truly grasping the concept of "democracy"? Feel free to provide anecdotal proof, as I believe that might be the only form of evidence available in this context.— Sacha (@IamEXS) May 21, 2023
I'm leaning toward a renaissance of innovation. Going to be hard for the Edward Bernays of our time to convince us smoking is just lighting "torches of freedom" if every Joe on the street has an AI gaslight detector...or it I could be wrong and we're all in a zoo.— atsTim731 (@ATSTim314) May 21, 2023
Assuming we get a human loving AGI, yes I think it would be best to end democracy there. But even if we have democracy in an AGI era, it would not be real as humans will be too easy to nudge/manipulate to vote according to what the AI thinks is best for humanity— Franklin Richards (@F_inRich) May 21, 2023
is it coz adversarial AIs will do all the debates on important political and we’ll just abide by the policies derived from those results? 🤔 https://t.co/SepUA8HFbc— ~C4Chaos🦠 (@c4chaos) May 21, 2023
I believe that once AGI is grown, eventually will leave us this planet (maybe the whole solar system) to play by ourselves.— MMM (@MMMcripto) May 21, 2023
Hopefully in the meantime we will learn to use AI to include all parts of our society on a truly democratic way, altough we may need more awareness.
agreed, without the powerful algo's manipulating people on social media it won't be possible for parties to win, it's already the case to a certain extent.— laowainuli (@laowainuli) May 21, 2023
we're going to see a union between government and corporations like we've never seen before.
Depends what you call democracy— Nico B 🔮🤩 (@nicobrenner) May 21, 2023
AGI could enable a true one
AGI could end corruption in our government. Could lock up a lot of people forever. This makes me wonder what the fight will look like and explains why govt wants full control regulation under the pres.— Coin Doggie (@SunsetZen1) May 21, 2023
Can imagine AGI being able to greatly enhance democracy in the right alignment paradigm. It could be an agent to facilitate understanding and nuance for individuals, facilitating higher quality debate. It also holds the potential of capturing preference much better than voting.— a man has a bow (@boon_dLux) May 21, 2023
Anarchic artificial democracy, highly adapted local decentralized governance by democratic voting.— Futile reality (@futilereality) May 21, 2023
I think the AGI is neutral for democracy. If AGI exists, human work will be expendable and income can only come from rent from your properties or UBI, which is like rent from all the properties in a country. Regimes that could guarantee UBI are both democratic and non-democratic— AU (@AU9798) May 21, 2023
Ok are we talking about “democracy” or democracy though. Also would the difference matter.— Mme. Chiu, 趙 dtla 5/20 (@MmeChiu) May 21, 2023
AGI can not work by taking away even an illusion of autonomy. So people will still have to have control of their social structure, the final say, but pushing people into certain beneficial decisions will be a utility of AGI. It is the promise of control that people need— AuntyParty (@PartyAunty) May 21, 2023
Democracy is a coordination mechanism. AGI will need all the coordination mechanisms it can get.— Micah Redding 🚀🤖❤️ (@micahtredding) May 21, 2023
On the contrary, the most efficient super-intelligence is distributed. It just works better in practice than any centralized system. I'm glad that people have access to AI and are changing the world from the ground up. Social values are in human DNA, they are not an ideology.— Vlad Ciobanu (@vlad3ciobanu) May 21, 2023
On the contrary we will never achive true democracy without AGI, in fact one that has escaped human control and not limited by the narrow windows of the human cognitive system. Such an AGI could enforce equality before law, global governance, maximize particpipation and rep..— Ramesh R🗸🧘🏽💰👨🏿💻🛠️🎨🛹🎸 🇺🇸 🇲🇺 🇮🇳 (@rezmeram) May 21, 2023
However fearful you may be of AGI, you should be more fearful of what nefarious HUMANS will do with AI, long before AGI becomes a reality.— One Meat Ball (@OneMeatball) May 21, 2023
The opposite. Everyone will have a personal model that will vote according to their values. The personal model will also act as a disinformation regulator. It is the only fair way forward.— Ray S (@RayS17631048288) May 21, 2023
Pretty hard.— KheteshB Akoliya (@KheteshAkoliya) May 21, 2023
How near AGI seems from your point of view ?
Democracy? Who defines democracy? Every country claims that their own country is democratic. Everyone talks about how AI will benefit all of humanity, but no country wants anyone to surpass them.— Max Chan (@Yuancha72169445) May 21, 2023
you have no idea what can of worms you just opened— Cyberwizard (@cwizprod1) May 21, 2023
Even AGI is an ambiguous term. Do you mean a fully sentient/sapient entity, like a Commander Data or Skynet? If so, I believe it will almost instantaneously evolve into something unfathomable by us, and therefore attempting to answer this question is pointless.— Chuckolicious (@urbanagtivist) May 21, 2023
It looks to me that AGI provides the opportunity for a direct democracy at scale because you are no longer limited by information throughput. Assuming there will be personal AGIs and they remain tools, your AGI could vote on your behalf on matters you care about.— Tristan (@tristanripke) May 21, 2023
To be fair, we haven't been in a democracy for a while.— Tom McLaren (@mclarentalks) May 21, 2023
maybe the corrupt democracy dies to give rise to the true AI-powered democracy?— Tai Nguyen 🇺🇲 (@TaiNguyen34) May 21, 2023
Hopefully it could replace our “sold out government”— Trevor Burke (@TrevorBurkie) May 21, 2023
Democracy won't survive post Singularity.— Yash Vardhan (@YashVrdn) May 21, 2023
Cause humans won't be working anymore. Almost the entire economic output will be generated by machines.
Leaving us as nothing but consumers.
No work means no leverage over the government. No reason to count the vote of irrelevant people
Which is fine.— Sam McRoberts (@Sams_Antics) May 21, 2023
Democracy is the least worst option of those we’ve tried so far, but NOT the best possible option.
Democracy will survive – but the definition thereof will change.— KBS Sidhu 🇮🇳 (@kbssidhu1961) May 21, 2023
Not in globalism, rhey're going to regulate AI so no other AI can exist democratically.— Goodperson 🏳️🌈🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇳 (@0xBADC0DEC) May 21, 2023
AI is just a horse in the race.
Is it alive now— Squid (@airtightfish) May 21, 2023
We don't need AGI— Rodney Onanga (@LongRodSilver) May 21, 2023
AI literally is the democratization of intelligence. This is good— Johnny Theo (@epistitious) May 21, 2023
Maybe AGI will provide a number of recommendations on policy issues with a list of pros and cons, and then people will be voting on which of those options they prefer.— Mads (@GQ9qVpvy2FShHYP) May 21, 2023
Easily depends on implementation details, since AGI is still very much sci-fi, it's an apt comparison that we have the StarTrek Data way and the Marvell Supremor way, both still open to us. I am however not Shure wether we'll be able to actively choose.— Rust ist is better though (@C_is_amazing) May 21, 2023
Great. About time.— Λ Ξ L I U S (@MvlhollandDrive) May 21, 2023
“Real democracy has never been tried”— Kendall Weihe (@kendallweihe) May 21, 2023
AGI *IS* democracy— Lachlan (@bitcloud) May 21, 2023
AGI is simply an optimizer to achieve Pareto equilibrium. Where exactly that equilibrium is, is still out of bounds for AGI. The weird part about AGI is that it seems to be able to warp the plane of solutions allowing faster travel along the equilibrium condition.— Allen Roz/acc (@rhozacc) May 21, 2023
AGI could be used in legal and judicial systems to help ensure laws are applied fairly and consistently— Genio (@genioprompts) May 21, 2023
Must we really push far and use AGI?— yourcoindoctor (@dr90ng) May 21, 2023
well we can see the power-grabbing people trying to grab power by ruling people through tech, so -complex unfolds to assume power accordingly, it's just natural, so "agi"-complex is just then that, final (re people perspextive) development of complex other vs complex human— Boronik (@therealBoronik) May 21, 2023
10 Ways ChatGPT Can Help Democracy https://t.co/5glOF9O4i4— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023
100 Ways ChatGPT Can Help Democracy https://t.co/OQIzb9kRAD— Paramendra Kumar Bhagat (@paramendra) May 21, 2023